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I dont know the truth but I do know everyone deserves their day in court. My ex and I went through a nasty divorce. All sorts of terrible things were said about me, I had to move, change my phone number, delete social media, etc.

It's been 5 years. Her family chose me in the divorce and shes currently in jail for her numerous death threats and harrassment campaign against me.

As rare as people may believe it is I work in the medical field It's not for your protection. It's for theirs. False allegations happened.

To be clear I'm not saying that's what happened here I dont know either parties and only Mr. Smith has offered any actual evidence to his side of the story but I can certainly empathize with someone trying to clear their name after the allegations are made.

So who else are you suing for defamation? Questions go to zakzsmith AT hawtmayle dawt calm As for my reputation: I don't see why not.

There's no plausible way this scenario can end without lots of people admitting I did nothing wrong. Many people have never been accused of wrongdoing, very few have it proven repeatedly via legal inquiry--I will come out looking far more innocent than most people start out.

Mandy's literally disavowing incidents she initiated, and that ended only when she wanted them to, incidents which she gleefully bragged about and that lots of people witnessed.

In some cases her and her friends claims are legitmately physically impossible. Claiming that some terrible truth about me will emerge just proves you haven't looked very carefully at her claims or the context provided.

This is the problem with sensitive topics: the details are often so icky that people flinch from examining the details carefully enough to notice the bullshit.

I don't--if you have an example: present it. Otherwise you may apologize at your leisure for now. Alright, here's a question: As I'm sure you're aware, under Canadian law under which this will be heard , the burden of proof in defamation cases lies with the defendant.

That is to say the person being accused of lying must provide positive evidence that their claims are true. I'm no expert in evidence law, so I can't say what does or does not count as evidence.

However, given that everything I have seen is your word against Mandy's, such a case would favour you, the plaintiff, unless she has some surprising shit.

My question is rather, questions are : does this process seem fair to you? Do you believe a judge finding in your favour means you have been truthful?

Conversely, do you believe a legal ruling that insufficient evidence to substantiate Mandy's claims is the same as her knowingly spreading falsehoods?

First, if you claim "everything I have seen is your word against Mandy's," then you're not paying attention to any of this. There's tons of evidence pertaining to every claim beyond that posted on this very blog speaking directly to each part of her accusations.

Until you've discussed that, I feel like answering the rest of what you've said would be pointless, since it seems like you're not reading what I write.

So if you are serious and are taking the accusations seriously: address that. I gotta ask Alex, do you think its more fair if Zak has to prove his innocence rather than Mandy prove her claim?

Both have problems, but she's Canadian in Canada so that is the law it gets heard under. This is all awful, but everyone deserves their day in court and I am not going to pretend I don't know how people going through divorces can be when they've grown to despise their spouse.

Parents literally kill their own children to spite their spouse so I am not going to pretend "lying about serious topics that hurts other people in real trouble" is impossible.

Don't take this for a defense, as "successful artist abuses women he dates" is also far from unheard of. Zak: please point me to actual evidence that isn't you saying things or people you know saying things.

I've kept up as best I could but there's a lot to go through. Also second guy "everyone deserves their day in court" is a truism, not an ethical argument.

Sorry to spam - also Zak to pre-empt Mandy's dad not counting as "someone you know" I don't consider him more credible than anyone else who's spoken on the matter - parent-child relationships are rarely simple and I have no idea what kind of person he is or what kind of relationship he has with his daughter, nor do I know enough about him to consider anything he would tell me now to be more trustworthy than anything you would.

You're moving the goal posts. That's what you said, quote: "everything I have seen is your word against Mandy's".

Do you have any idea what it's like to have a casual acquaintance you've only ever known as a vaguely friendly face with some interests in common treat such an important question so casually?

This is serious shit: I don't feel it's unfair to ask you, if you're going to comment, to speak precisely and to at least try to think carefully.

The documents provided include: Mandy's word as of My word Documents containing Mandy's completely contradictory words Mandy's parent's words Mandy's best friends' words signed under penalty of perjury Mandy's lovers' words signed under penalty of perjury etc Plus there several fact assertions which make Mandy et al's claims impossible like, say, how did I "force" Viv to move to Detroit?

Given the facts, how is Mandy not guilty of multiple assaults on Viv and Jennifer? Given Jennifer's claims, why did Jennifer repeatedly cross oceans and continents to have threeways with me?

If one person says they're on fire and the other person says they're not you don't finish with "Oh it's your word against theirs" and throw up your hands.

You have go ask the person who claims to be on fire "If you're on fire how come you aren't dead yet? If you didn't read it al the way, consider how serious all of this is before speed-reading again.

As for the general point of legal action -- look at the shape of the gamer harassment campaign that the accusations launched: In the days that followed Mandy's accusations, it was as if every gamer online was in a contest to see who could dismiss any objection in the most stylish way, each playing to their own audiences.

You point out any of the gaping problems in the story Mandy initiated sex every time we had it, for instance , you get: 4chan people responding with absurdist memes playing to their 4chan friends, Indie gamers responding with "Ugh gross, why would I want to hear from you???

You have to actually answer the question. You have to at least pretend you care about the crime you're pretending happened. If you wonder why someone would resort to that: look around.

If gamers knew how to respond to questions about guilt and innocence and evil in the world and human lives being ruined with something other than all caps crying or lol!

So we're going to court. I've taken some time to review your evidence and Mandy's evidence. Here's the thing: at the end of the day, these are a lot of people I don't know, whose wider stakes in the issue I can't know without doubt, speaking on a relationship that by all indications is far too messy and complex for me to understand.

In any case there is nothing incontrovertible, or which eliminates all but the remotest possibility of doubt outside the legal context.

Word under oath is still word, after all, and we've all seen our fair share of lies under oath in the last few years.

Here I am holding you to the same standard of proof to which Mandy will be held in court. That is: while she will be asked to prove that her representations of you are strictly factual - to provide incontrovertible evidence that the things she claimed actually happens, which without having planted secret cameras in your home approaches impossibility - whereas all you have to do is demonstrate that she made claims about things where there is room for doubt.

So, a ruling in your favour doesn't actually prove you didn't do the things she claims you did - it merely shows that Mandy was not able to meet an exacting legal definition of proof.

The gist of my question earlier was: why should I or anyone take such a ruling as proof positive that you are not the person she says you are, when all it does is indicate a profound ambiguity through the lens of a legal framework which, I repeat, has been heavily criticized as antiquated and biased in favour of the plaintiff?

How, in other words, does suing her constitute grounds for trusting you, even if you win? Answer and a question: 1.

You do not have to regard that as proof positive. You can instead choose to investigate further. There is a third option: Admit you don't know and don't care enough to investigate.

If "at the end of the day, these are a lot of people I don't know, whose wider stakes in the issue I can't know without doubt, speaking on a relationship that by all indications is far too messy and complex for me to understand.

You've repeatedly attacked me since this began, despite just admitting you have no idea what's going on. Saying "I don't know so I'll shut up" is an acceptable and honorable position--even for nerds.

Why not take that position? I'm not taking that position because I think what you're doing is cruel and constitutes an unnecessary escalation.

You seem to suggest that this lawsuit is meant to stand as proof to the wider of community of "nerds", which I guess includes me, that you are not the person Mandy says you are -- which is why I am here questioning that motive and the relationship between it and a deeply flawed legal proceeding.

As for "investigating further" - I am not a private investigator and am not about to contacting a bunch of people I've barely heard of for more commentary on a situation where no amount of talking can resolve the ambiguity.

That is a waste of my time and theirs. If you think you have something better and more decisive than what you've produced and actually care about the opinions of people on the internet, and not about forcing a painful and expensive legal proceeding upon your ex, I'd say you should share it now, but I doubt your lawyers would consider that wise.

In short: I do not believe I could resolve the ambiguity in this matter even if I devoted all my time to it, and I doubt it in fact can be resolved.

You claim to be out to establish the truth but I don't see how you're going to get it, nor do I see any endgame here that isn't about revenge. How am I "escalating" from "smearing someone with fake assault accusations"?

That's already nuclear. A civil suit is a very mild response. I don't , in general, try to "suggest" things. It's vague. I state.

Here's what I'm stating: The legal action will stand as proof only to good people and to the Canadian legal system.

So far as I know, vocal online nerds occupy neither of these positions. The endgame is: create accountability for bad actors.

When a burglar is locked up it's not all about revenge, it's alot about preventing further burglaries. You have a simple problem of circular logic: Your claim it's ok to attack me is based on your assumption this legal action is "unnecessary" or "cruel".

That assumption is in turn based on the assumption the false accusations are true. Therefore discovering the facts is unnecessary--you already know what you need to.

Yet you also admit you don't actually know if they're true. So none of what you're saying makes sense.

I erased your answer You didn't answer the questions you were asked. No further responses will be accepted until you show good faith and do that.

Oh man, I spent a while writing that answer too. Luckily I had a screenshot just in case. Certainly you wouldn't convince everyone. In any case, this lawsuit doesn't promise to prove anything you hadn't tried to prove elsewhere.

The facts in such conflicts are difficult and sometimes hard or impossible to prove without a doubt - suing does not change that. I'm not sure what other questions I might be missing, besides why I don't shut up, given that I don't have perfect knowledge of the situation: my reason for that is I think your claims that suing will help you get at the truth of the matter are misleading.

I think people following this ought to know that this lawsuit is not one that is concerned with whether you did anything wrong. Rather, the judge's job is to determine, in court, whether Mandy's claims meet legal muster, which is not the same question as whether they constitute an accurate representation of actual events.

Address these: 1. I note you did nothing to prevent this outcome. What do you recommend then? I" I have not made these claims. The truth of the matter is already there for any good person.

It's really not on me to make your decisions for you. I think giving it time and patience, and pursuing gradual steps forward based on respect and reciprocity would reflect much more favourably on you and your character, even if they were also slower.

So then, are you saying the lawsuit is in fact not meant to prove anything? If the lawsuit is purely meant to be punitive, it seems inconsistent to suggest it should also serve to "reinforce" the truth for the unconvinced.

Unless you want to argue these proceedings can objectively verify the facts of the matter beyond pointing out areas where the facts are too murky to decide, there is no reason they should sway anyone interested in finding out what actually happened.

To clarify my characterization in 2. When the public becomes aware of the truth via legal action in this case they can also elect to create consequences for bad actors without recourse to the legal system boycotting the people who lied, for instance.

And this action need not even be punitive: a simple apology is an acceptable moment of accountability.

There is no need to punish someone for a mistake they admit and take steps to fix. You should ask more questions and not make so many assumptions--it is repeatedly leading you to false conclusions.

If you can't, then you are admitting you actually are scolding me for a course of action you can't improve on. They are not my audience.

Good people recognize that justice delayed is justice denied. The longer the false narrative exists, the more it is normalized 2.

Lawsuits mean more facts come out. Accusers will be asked questions and it will be shown they have no answers. The truth will be publicized. This will reinforce the narrative all good people paying attention already accept I did nothing wrong and bring it to the attention of previously neutral parties.

Sometimes maintaining the course and waiting for things to cool down is ther better course. I am not an expert on conflict resolution - though those people do exist and the cost of their services are comparable to those of a litigator - but it seems that if your choices were patience and a focus on your work or escalation, he former would have been the better choice, where "better" refers to a course of action that would improve, or at least not worsen, your standing, and avoid inflicting further injury.

I also do not believe in retribution as a desirable or particular effective form of justice, but we probably differ there.

As to the enduring existence of the narrative: if as indicated in 2 you believe the evidence that will be brought to court is sufficient to verify your claims, then I guess we'll see, though I would ask what prevented you from bringing it forward before if it really is better than what you've already showed.

If you agree that a finding in your favour in trial is not the same as a validation of your claims of having done nothing wrong, a pretty extensive review of the court records will be necessary to explain your point.

Your first paragraph is repeating what you've already said: You're alleging there's some better way and you're not naming it.

I have inflicted no injury, and winning the case will inflict no more. Justice delayed is justice denied. Calling it a truism isn't an argument for why it isn't true.

The people responsible for this harassment campaign are still running around enjoying life as if they've done nothing wrong.

Jsutice has not been served. I've already explained several times what is preventing the facts from coming out: Mandy et al made some statements.

Me, other people, and Mandy et al in the past cited facts which make it impossible for those facts to be true. Mandy must be asked to explain the disparity or her claim must be discarded.

The gamer community has failed to ask her or secure an answer. They're an illusion. A scientist shows up and gives a million reasons why they do, holds up the same person claiming they do, holds up an apple and says it's real, etc.

If people still have doubt about the existence of apples like you the only possible next step is to ask the original schmoe to explain away all these facts.

The gamer community refuses to compel Mandy to explain anything, so legal action is necessary. Is he in a Secret Abuser Society with Zak?

The longer harassers run around uncaught, the more harm they can do. So there's a real problem trying to stop them slowly. There is conversely no downside to anyone to catching them quickly.

In response, man sues the chronically ill woman in an attempt to silence her, using laws that are notorious for being used in such a way, then threatens to additionally sue anyone who states they believe her.

You can understand how for most people these actions will not elicit sympathy for the man's situation or person, yes? Could you perhaps explain why you believe that suing those accusing you of abuse into silence will convince those who believe you are an abuser you are innocent?

I didn't say "convince", I said "prove". Evolution is real and Donald Trump lies all the time, those things are facts--it doesn't mean you are going to convince every American to believe it.

I can only address the fact-based community--everyone else is-, and has always been-, far beyond my area of concern. Lots of people in the gamer world want to believe fairy tales--it's up to the better, smarter people to either ignore them or create consequences for them.

I see, while I thank you for that perspective, you haven't really answered my question. I have some others though so that's fine.

Do you expect OSR and other RPG content creators to take this court case as proof that Mandy was lying and to begin working with you again?

Or are they beyond your area of concern? Do you think that Canadian defamation laws are a quality method for establishing facts and proof?

Please say how I haven't answered your question--asking it again in a different way may make it easier to understand whatever part you think I missed.

I won't publish or answer any further comments from you unless you do this because there's no benefit in half-conversations or letting people talk past each other.

In any court, at the bare minimum, both sides will have to answer questions. There are lots of ways the truth can eventually come out, but they have to start with something other than "We all just sit here pretending the issue is settled.

I asked if you understood that your actions were unlikely to make people sympathetic to you and what you expect to happen in the result of you being successful in sueing.

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